Ranger Pets

[NiteHawk]

Wouldnt it make more sense to start at 0% buff (10chr) then work into a bonus?

I mean yeah, it generally will be, but it wont have a base of 0%. At 10chr it will start off with something. 0% would imply 0 damage, etc.

[Folder]

Those pet numbers sound more in line. In my thinking it should be something like 70/30 for ranger/pet damage? I'd imagine we don't want rangers to be instantly garbage if their pet is killed so most of the damage should be on them and not the pet. Obviously the ratio can be tinkered with.

Ranger pets need fixing quickly though, or at least stop using King Scorps in events. It's pretty dumb right now.

[Honzo]

I mean, I think you are all complicating this though. It has a pet that helps damage. It's role is probably going to be DPS since that's virtually all it does if we need a role here. In terms of skills or roles it's fairly simply as well, pick target, pewpew, pet attacks what you attack and is smart. There isn't much issue with rangers as a class, just overall DPS needs looking into.

That's what I keep trying to iterate lol. We just need to figure out what is the right # to start with lmao.

Pets can be classed as DPS or Tank depending on their taunt level. Normally tankier pets will have less damage but more taunt, and then the higher end ones will typically be DPS more. I'm not sure how well this is utilized yet and it might be needing a look into.

Yeah that's what I was fearing. People may prioritize the tanky pet over the dps pet if killing the pet first becomes a big thing for countering Rangers. Because they hit less times but harder some may be incentivized to play that way...which I think is actually kind of cool tbh.

In terms of DPS, Pets have a harder timer hitting players, as they are NPCs. they have a flatrate of 15% less hit rate with same stats, but also are effected by their own AGI too. They obviously also add armor to the ranger which works out okay when the pets out.

Brilliant. That makes it a lot easier to keep the unique tameables in check too! I imagine that multiple unique's will be tameable and have things that they do. I heard from someone today that the King Scorpion does Poison? Badass

139-174 (10% reduction in damage). While pets could be around 60-100 damage per attack. You're looking at 2-3 attacks, and probably 60-80 for 3 attacks, and 80-100 for 2 attacks in higher level monsters. That would probably be based on a drakeblood or something with high str and high char, otherwise the shift of damage will be either more damage on pet a little (ELF), or more actual damage with ranger (HO/etc)

Interesting. Those are the modifiers with the iron gear on right? I like that idea too because like you said Elves and Lings will have stronger pets but weaker ranger dmg. With pet dmg where does it put rangers? right under barbarian?

[Thi]

Honzo, you're over sensitive man, sorry if you're hurt but <3

Folder knows me all too well and keeps me in line.

Anyway, I'm more direct and inclined to results, so NH got straight to the core, number crunching results. Might reply later.

P. S. Sorry if anyone got hurt over snarky or sarcastic comments.

[Honzo]

Honzo, you're over sensitive man, sorry if you're hurt but <3

Folder knows me all too well and keeps me in line.

Anyway, I'm more direct and inclined to results, so NH got straight to the core, number crunching results. Might reply later.

P. S. Sorry if anyone got hurt over snarky or sarcastic comments.

You're all good man, and I'm not sensitive either. It's a video game after all. No reason we can't disagree and still be chill with each other. I still wub you too!! I also make mistakes so I try not to judge anybody. Can we still be fwendz? <3 Just been a tough day, I could've been not so bitchy.

[Thi]

Honzo, you're over sensitive man, sorry if you're hurt but <3

Folder knows me all too well and keeps me in line.

Anyway, I'm more direct and inclined to results, so NH got straight to the core, number crunching results. Might reply later.

P. S. Sorry if anyone got hurt over snarky or sarcastic comments.

You're all good man, and I'm not sensitive either. It's a video game after all. No reason we can't disagree and still be chill with each other. I still wub you too!! I also make mistakes so I try not to judge anybody. Can we still be fwendz? <3 Just been a tough day, I could've been not so bitchy.

Come to silhouette and be friends again!

[Honzo]

Honzo, you're over sensitive man, sorry if you're hurt but <3

Folder knows me all too well and keeps me in line.

Anyway, I'm more direct and inclined to results, so NH got straight to the core, number crunching results. Might reply later.

P. S. Sorry if anyone got hurt over snarky or sarcastic comments.

You're all good man, and I'm not sensitive either. It's a video game after all. No reason we can't disagree and still be chill with each other. I still wub you too!! I also make mistakes so I try not to judge anybody. Can we still be fwendz? <3 Just been a tough day, I could've been not so bitchy.

Come to silhouette and be friends again!

Hehe I sent you a tele in game earlier. Can still be friends no matter what guild/clan, I don't PK or PKK anyways. I just drift around being a Honzo!!

[NiteHawk]

Those pet numbers sound more in line. In my thinking it should be something like 70/30 for ranger/pet damage? I'd imagine we don't want rangers to be instantly garbage if their pet is killed so most of the damage should be on them and not the pet. Obviously the ratio can be tinkered with.

Ranger pets need fixing quickly though, or at least stop using King Scorps in events. It's pretty dumb right now.

It's probably going to be sometime this week yeah. Right now dealing with exams too this week so its hard to fully devote until this is over with.

[NiteHawk]

Okay so rangers will get a 10% damage nerf to themselves. And now pets work as we talked about here. There is a 'efficiency' stat in /pet info as well now so you can see how much you are utilizing it. The more attacks a pet has, the more it's damage gets slashed on capture, but pets with 3 attacks are still higher damage then pets with two attacks, it just brings them more in line. (It's about 17.5%xattacks for reduction).. I also changed King Scorpion to have higher min damage but lower max damage compared to dreadbeast. Since I feel dreadbeast should be stronger in raw power because it does not have poison. (More max then min, so the average damage is higher on dread by a little.). Taunt is only 2 on these two guys too so they aren't amazing at tanking for you. Going to look at other mobs too.


Efficency is 100% with charisma 23. You lose 3% eff per point. So 91% is 20 charisma. (20 char is the base of the stats though too so NP there.) Because the armor you gain is based on the agility of the pet, you'll also lose some armor if you go straight up self DPS/no charisma which is pretty fair. 60% of your original.


Example:

23 char:

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Nickname:     King Scorpion Effiency:  100%       
NPC Name:     King Scorpion Level:     25         
Race:         Animal     Divinity:  Lightning 
Hitpoints:    675        Per Lvl:   27         
Armor:        59         Damage:    51-72     
Dodge Agi:    19         Atk Agi:   21         
Int:          12         Wis:       14         
Infra:        1          Spell Neg: 0         
Attack Delay: 1-2        Exhaust:   11         
Max Attacks:  3          Taunt Lvl: 2

No gear obviously,

20 char:

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Nickname:     King Scorpion Effiency:  91%       
NPC Name:     King Scorpion Level:     25         
Race:         Animal     Divinity:  Lightning 
Hitpoints:    615        Per Lvl:   24.6       
Armor:        59         Damage:    45-63     
Dodge Agi:    17         Atk Agi:   19         
Int:          10         Wis:       12         
Infra:        0          Spell Neg: 0         
Attack Delay: 1.09-2.18  Exhaust:   11         
Max Attacks:  3          Taunt Lvl: 2   

10 char:

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Nickname:     King Scorpion Effiency:  61%       
NPC Name:     King Scorpion Level:     25         
Race:         Animal     Divinity:  Lightning 
Hitpoints:    412        Per Lvl:   16.5       
Armor:        59         Damage:    30-42     
Dodge Agi:    11         Atk Agi:   12         
Int:          7          Wis:       8         
Infra:        0          Spell Neg: 0         
Attack Delay: 1.39-2.78  Exhaust:   11         
Max Attacks:  3          Taunt Lvl: 2


[Lateralus]

This is some great info really gives insight on how to build a ranger. Any chance you could copy this over to the ranger class post and then move the ranger class discussion to this race/class sub I'm going to start a new class over there today.