I appreciate the thought and effort you put into the response. And no, you did not make the list of quotes, but you just did exactly I am identifying as a problem to
potential newcomers to the game and community. Some will start or start an attempt of discussion and not long after insults are being thrown around. You included some positives that do occur, but you also did exactly what is not needed when you are trying to grow a community.
I was asked to visit the forums and see the drama. I was asked for an outsiders opinion, and that's what I provided, objectively. You may consider that to be "edgy" but sometimes outside perspective is necessary. Is it in this case, I can't say, but I will offer my opinion as I did, and identified some examples. Did I say everyone is childish? At first, until I read around, where I learned and stated that 95% of the people that post can be civilized and do not hurt the face of the community. It's the extremist that is the source of a lot of the drama. One person named, and I singled him out as I read and typed because he's the type of person that has no qualms about
wishing he could physically harm a person he disagrees with over the internet.
Redacting this sentence because this actually should be saved for private reporting if the party chooses to do so.
That is not the behavior a community needs. If you feel otherwise, that's the lovely thing about opinions: you are entitled to your own.
There are plenty of players that reach out or offer help. That's a good thing, it's a great thing. But again, the purpose is to identify and have the community find a better way to moderate or self govern and limit the hate thrown on the forums, because as an individual of this games community, you are the face of the game. All of you are. Including him.
A temporary ban can be seen as a punishment, or an attempt to point out to that person that that behavior is truly unwarranted and unwanted. Again, refer to the desire to cause physical harm to someone over an online argument, or harassing pages. There are plenty of people that gave me examples as a result of this thread. There are still parents out there that monitor what their children do on the computer. If a parent stumbles across that because they want to research what their children are playing, you can be assured the parent will limit how often their child can play the game. It's a fact of parenthood, many are overzealous in their restrictions and in protecting their children, they go to extremes, more now than ever.
You identified that you are now homies with a lot of people you had problems with. That's great, but you're also established as well as they are. Newcomers will not have the luxury of being established and will be put off by that exact behavior if they face it in-game and on the forums.
If you think my goal is to split you apart, then you wholeheartedly misread my post, or misunderstood any intentions. You are also biased in your response and I can only assume that's why you went the route you did. Many of your posts are respectful, helpful even, and you engage in constructive discussions regarding the future of the game often. However, in regards to this post, you took a 180 from your usual posting because I recommend a ban, publicly to put pressure on NiteHawk to do something to moderate the community, on your friend. A temporary one, at that. The majority of Staff are upset and tired of the drama, but no one is doing anything to curb it.
I find it slightly ironic that you are stating that my behavior is befitting someone who should stay a stranger while being overtly biased against me due to singling out your friend, but I will respond to that. I am a stranger to some in this community. I do not play the game as much as I did two months ago. I am not a stranger to many more, but sometimes a completely detached and unbiased view of the community as a whole is invited and there will always be those that do not like it.
Next time, try not to resort to the insults because you do not like what I had to say. We will probably never be 'homies' but we can have a discussion.
killa, if you can also go without trying to sneak in insults then I'm more than happy to have a discussion with you as well. Butt hurt is the last thing I am as I was asked to give an outside opinion of the drama going on, and there was my extensive two cents worth of it.
Terron wrote:theres so few people in this community that think outside the box they are accustomed to in the first place. iced makes like #3 as far as i can see.
good post, constructively written and direct. but im not sure calling 1 person out with a subtle "id ban you" and defending it with i said this to NH about three others, including a friend, was in sorts. it read more as a depressive "cant we all get along" with multiple subtle jabs at killa. not saying he didn't earn them. just in conjunction with the "im not staff but i influence them", it isnt helpful when a large scale number of players dislike staff already and call them cheaters from what i've seen. now im writing depressive banter
i promoted(on post) a few events that i thought would be fair for everyone hope it helps some.
I haven't named any others because it'd only influence behaviors. I'd rather people stop being so hateful towards each other publicly and on the forums out of their own volition than do so because they're afraid of repercussions. It was also pointed out to me that perhaps a 30-day temporary ban would be extensive; I can see the point behind that, but it's purely a suggestion and to put pressure on NH to act on the increasing drama rather than be silent. I did not intend to make jabs at killa, but rather pointing out how it is just never ending. Not all quotes are killa, either. Some are from people I respect personally, but they were no better at that time.
I did not intend to say I influence staff; to put it plainly and clearly: I have no control nor influence over Staff. My assistance to NH was regarding the integrity and security of the game executable itself and server. I talk with them when I am on, and I have made it clear to them I'm not their friend, but will do testing for them if they ask or require it.
You do seem like a pretty nice person, and a new-ish one at that. Good on you for sticking around.
I'm not perfect, either. Never said I was, and am not trying to act like I am. I just want the game to grow, and to set a precedence that drama and that some of the hateful things that are said here is acceptable is a dangerous path for a game with the potential you have here.
