King of the Hill Rules and Clarification

[Cerebrus]

Theres two reasons Ive allowed it
1.) was because I had allowed it in previous weeks and I try to stay consistant.
2.) I've changed the times so many times I've lost count. Im trying to be fair so that everyone has a chance to participate. I cant remember everyones work schedules, so yes I've been a little lax on allowing late comers to join, but I've never allowed it after midway. (10-12 normally join, if they've paged me after about the 5-6th fight I've told them no, but if it's early on I allow it. Dyer was warped before the 2nd or 3rd fight even started.)

As said, it's not a mosh. Him being warped in later had no effect on any of the fights. He was just placed randomly in the list.

THE RULES WERE NEVER CHANGED, GO LOOK AT THE KING OF THE HILL POST. EVERY WEEK IF THERE IS A TIE BETWEEN THE KING AND THE LONGEST STREAK, BOTH GET THE 20pp. THE PP IS NOT SPLIT UP, REASON BEING THE RULES HAVE ALWAYS STATED LONGEST STREAK GETS 20PP, IN THE EVENT OF A TIE, BOTH GET 20PP

Not sure where you seen the rules for PP were changed.

FOR NOW: If someone is running late and pages me before the end of the 1st fight, I will allow them to join and randomly place them in the line up.


This event has ALWAYS been fairly ran. I've even bent to peoples demands (originally healers only got 1 heal, but people complained so I allowed 2. Same thing with some other stuff)

I take offense to this because I take my position very seriously. I dont care who you are, what guild you're in, etc...I try to be fair and nice to ALL. Even on my norms I have no beef with anyone, I try to be civil and even invite rivals to level with me.

Normally I do have help, tonight I did not. Dustin had kids to put to bed.

[Cerebrus]

And I agree Randy, something like Kaos bot to randomly feed me names from the waiting room would make it SO MUCH easier.

In the spirit of transparency I will explain how it works

I ask a staff member not participating in the event to give me a number between 1-100 and 1-50 (in the event 2 people page with same number)

I then ask everyone to page me a number

Person with closest number is first to the hill

Then I go down he list of pages IN ORDER bringing people in. (The order I receive pages is the same order you fight in)

If someone fails to page me a number or is LATE, I randomly stick them in that list. Sometimes I make them go first, sometimes last, sometimes in the middle, it's random

To keep with the transparency, starting saturday with JR. King of the Hill, I will start copy/pasting the order I received the pages and the broadcasts so that everyone can compare and make sure Im doing it how I say Im doing it. This will stop anyone from saying Im placing people wherever I want in the fight.

[Vindal]

See? Explanations provide clarification. Every week you have let people warp in late consistency shows that there is not in fact an act of favoritism. That is a much better reply than you did originally.

Now let me provide a counter explanation to provide more clarity. The winner of your KotH event is determined by whomever is the last man standing. Sure biggest streak also gets points ... but the King gets the Tshirt and the glory. Allowing someone to join late after fights have started give them an unfair advantage to those who made it a priority to be on time. Here is why -

Lets say Vindal, Folder, Kawasaki, NiteHawk, and Lavelia all are on time for KotH. Random numbers are assigned and the first fight is Vindal vs NiteHawk.

As we all know in this scenario NiteHawk would lose and Vindal would progress. This leaves Vindal with his first victory and three more to win. Next up is Vindal vs Kawasaki and Vindal wins again. Vindal has now earned two victories but two more to go to win!

BUT WAIT - Cerebus received a late warp in and is added to the mix to fight Vindal next. This means that Cerebus being allowed to join late only has to fight Vindal, Folder, and Lavelia. Which means regardless of how many people were in the event to start that he at maximum would only have to conquer three people for his title. While it doesn't make a difference to Lavelia and Folder because they haven't fought yet, what about Vindal and NiteHawk who would have had to conquer five others for their victory while at MOST Cerebus would have only had to conquer three ... assuming he didn't get an even later spot of course.

It makes for an uneven player experience. Once the event has started whoever is in should be in and that's it. Your current stance of allowing people to join late is punishing those of us who make a point to show up on time and showing favor to those who are late to the party.

[Cerebrus]

And Vindal to be honest, this isnt me lashing out at all. Sometimes I have a hard time conveying what I want to say and it all just spills out. I in no way was lashing out at you. Just trying to get all the facts straight.

When you paged me in game, it was right after I had just got done receiving 12+ pages from the person who had said that so I was a little upset.

Yes it was only 10 people, but look who we're talking about lol, these are all old Rokers, they are a rowdy bunch of people. I should show you the pages I receive when Im trying to organize this. A lot being x rated. lol

People tend to forget we are people/players too volunteering to build everyone a kickass game while offering to take time out of our nights to run events so the game doesnt get stagnant.

We have feelings, emotions, stress, etc too. Sometimes we react to those things. It's going to happen, this is a new game, we're still molding and shaping things. This is MY first true event, that I designed, I made the rules and I run. Im still learning. I thought on the rules a LOT to make it fair for all. I make sure it's ran fairly.

So I apologize if my emotions came through. Im human, not a robot like Nitehawk lol

[Cerebrus]

I do see what you are saying

The way you're making it sound though is like Im warping people in second to last fight. As stated above, the latest I have warped someone who is late in is 2-3rd fight. NEVER towards the end. I have in fact turned people away who have paged me that late.

Another thing, normally I ask everyone if it's okay if someone can still come in even though they paged late. Im sure there's a few who witnessed it a week or two ago.

Everyone there said sure or yeah thats cool. It wasnt until the person who was late just happened to be in the same guild as my norms that people said somthing (Not the reason you said it) but others.

Since we're being civil and discussing, how do you explain the last person paging with a number going last and not having to fight as many people? Thats fair but someone coming in 2-3 fights in isnt? It's the same concept and Ive said it a couple times now, They dont fight last. Most of the time I make them go first, sometimes in the middle. Dyer was warped in around the 3rd fight. Dyer didnt go last he went 3rd from last. He still had to fight through 3 people PLUS the king.

[Folder]

<3 it's way past my bedtime now but I'm glad this turned out well. I was a little worried! I do think it's maybe worth changing the rules to not allow late warps, because that's sorta the point of closing warps. Sucks to miss out though, I know.

I do get both sides of the point here. Ehhh no matter what you decide you can't make everyone happy with this one I think.

[Cerebrus]

[8:19pm] >>> Dyer <<<: any of you guys in there want to ask Cereburs nicely for a late entry7 ?

Thats 8:19 cst time, 9:19 server time. I didnt even start the first fight until quarter after 9.

[Vindal]

I do see what you are saying

The way you're making it sound though is like Im warping people in second to last fight. As stated above, the latest I have warped someone who is late in is 2-3rd fight. NEVER towards the end. I have in fact turned people away who have paged me that late.

Another thing, normally I ask everyone if it's okay if someone can still come in even though they paged late. Im sure there's a few who witnessed it a week or two ago.

Everyone there said sure or yeah thats cool. It wasnt until the person who was late just happened to be in the same guild as my norms that people said somthing (Not the reason you said it) but others.

Since we're being civil and discussing, how do you explain the last person paging with a number going last and not having to fight as many people? Thats fair but someone coming in 2-3 fights in isnt? It's the same concept and Ive said it a couple times now, They dont fight last. Most of the time I make them go first, sometimes in the middle. Dyer was warped in around the 3rd fight. Dyer didnt go last he went 3rd from last. He still had to fight through 3 people PLUS the king.

If 10 people join a KotH they each have a 10 percent chance of being the one to fight ten people a 10 percent chace to fight nine people etc. They also specifcally have a 10 percent chance of being the person that only has to fight one other.

If three fights happen that means three are out and a single person joins late. Now there is only 8 competitors and they are added to the order randomly. This means they have a 0 percent chance of having to fight ten others, a 0 percent chance of having to fight nine. A 12.5 percent chance of fighting 8 7 6 .... etc etc.

In a game where RNG is everything, even a slight advantage can make a big difference in the long run.

[Cerebrus]

Yeah, well thats fine by me. Will solve a lot of headaches.

NO MORE LATE WARP INS

Question though, I try not to do this event with anything less than 10 people

If I have 6 and say screw it and close warps, and someone pages me after the first fight "Hey just got home from work may I still join" "Hey was afk laying kids down, can I join" "Hey My porn movie just got over can I join"

Wouldn't you want more players envolved?

I guess Im seeing it from the staff position, you guys from the players position.

Staff: Wants lots of participants, the more the merrier
Player: Less players = better chance at winning

Lol me personally though, I dont like winning an event with only a handful of people participating. Feels like free loot. I'd rather earn it by being challenged by as many as possible in this type of event.

[Cerebrus]

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Anyone reading this, please look at event post for KotH. There is a big bold red warning against late warp ins. Also made is clear about ties for longest streak.