During this weeks King of the Hill match players were allowed to join the competition after it had already begun. In this case the admitted late contestant eventually went on to WIN .
Based on the rules of King of the Hill someone being admitted late to the competition (as in warped in after the first round is over) gives them an unfair advantage as the later someone is admitted the less people they have to face in order to go against the champion
I know events are tough to keep track of, and everyone is still a bit new, but this is something I don't feel should be allowed in the future. An even playing field for everyone is important in order to maintain the integrity of these events.
Thanks event staff for working hard to keep us entertained!
King of the Hill Rules and Clarification
Re: King of the Hill Rules and Clarification
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The rules are posted here on the boards. Can't remember for sure, but it doesnt say once warps are closed thats it. It's just something I broadcast.
As said in game, I have allowed people who make it home late from work to join in when the majority of the participants are still in the waiting room as it does NOT effect the fights.
I believe Lightning was late one time last week, Scytso one other week.
It's rather hard pinning this down to the right time where everyone can join in. Since this is a 1 vs 1 event, them being brought in to sit in the waiting room has no effect on the fight in progress.
As for what %playersname% said about if you lose just log another 25er and join late. Wouldnt happen or be advisable. We can see your alts and ip's.
As to the page about Dyer being in my guild. When I am on Cerebrus I hold no affiliations to any person or guild. I dont pay attention or take into account what guild each person is in since this is not a guild event.
I ask for everyone to page me. If 12 people are there and only 10 page with a number, the 2 who didnt page gets randomly inserted into the list of names pages I go off of. Same with late comers.
Had either of the people who paged me about this paged me a couple fights in saying "Hey man I just got home from work, can I join?" I would have warped you in as well.
This event is to see who is the best of the best. Not who's guild is better. I like to see new class builds, I like to see match ups of different classes. It's purely a this class/build beat out everyone else and is King.
Between the silly pages I get during the event, making sure everyone paged me, watching to make sure rules are followed (2 heals only, etc), broadcasting each fight, healing the fighters, warping in the new opponent. etc....I dont have time to note or care about who's facing who or whch guilds are rivals.
I'll just be blunt, if the whining continues about why this person did this or why this or that happened I just wont run KotH anymore. Which is sad because I rather enjoy running it. It's structured and allows you guys to try out new things with your alts, new match ups, etc...(to be honest I would love to participate)
If I changed the way It's been ran for the past few weeks, then the people who work late and get home 5mins after it starts will complain that I allowed it last week. It's a never ending thing. Not everyone is going to be pleased with what goes on and everyone is going to ask for rule changes, which wont happen.
As said in game, I have allowed people who make it home late from work to join in when the majority of the participants are still in the waiting room as it does NOT effect the fights.
I believe Lightning was late one time last week, Scytso one other week.
It's rather hard pinning this down to the right time where everyone can join in. Since this is a 1 vs 1 event, them being brought in to sit in the waiting room has no effect on the fight in progress.
As for what %playersname% said about if you lose just log another 25er and join late. Wouldnt happen or be advisable. We can see your alts and ip's.
As to the page about Dyer being in my guild. When I am on Cerebrus I hold no affiliations to any person or guild. I dont pay attention or take into account what guild each person is in since this is not a guild event.
I ask for everyone to page me. If 12 people are there and only 10 page with a number, the 2 who didnt page gets randomly inserted into the list of names pages I go off of. Same with late comers.
Had either of the people who paged me about this paged me a couple fights in saying "Hey man I just got home from work, can I join?" I would have warped you in as well.
This event is to see who is the best of the best. Not who's guild is better. I like to see new class builds, I like to see match ups of different classes. It's purely a this class/build beat out everyone else and is King.
Between the silly pages I get during the event, making sure everyone paged me, watching to make sure rules are followed (2 heals only, etc), broadcasting each fight, healing the fighters, warping in the new opponent. etc....I dont have time to note or care about who's facing who or whch guilds are rivals.
I'll just be blunt, if the whining continues about why this person did this or why this or that happened I just wont run KotH anymore. Which is sad because I rather enjoy running it. It's structured and allows you guys to try out new things with your alts, new match ups, etc...(to be honest I would love to participate)
If I changed the way It's been ran for the past few weeks, then the people who work late and get home 5mins after it starts will complain that I allowed it last week. It's a never ending thing. Not everyone is going to be pleased with what goes on and everyone is going to ask for rule changes, which wont happen.
Last edited by Cerebrus on Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: King of the Hill Rules and Clarification
Vindal wrote:Based on the rules of King of the Hill someone being admitted late to the competition (as in warped in after the first round is over) gives them an unfair advantage as the later someone is admitted the less people they have to face in order to go against the champion
What about the people in there already who are last to page me with a number? They have to fight less people, no? Since I go by that list of pages for the order, the last person to page me would be last to fight.
The way I see it, it kind of evens out
If player A goes first and fights down the list killing 4-6 players then gets wiped out, They are more than likely going to win the longest streak prize
If player B goes last they have NO CHANCE of winning longest streak prize.
It's all a game of chance.
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Cere, please just understand that people are sensitive to things like this. I don't think anyone actually thinks there's anything devious going on but it's something to be mindful of.
All you have to say is that you're doing everything as fair as possible and move on. This isn't whining, it's a sincere concern. Please don't threaten to quit running an event because of this - that's not going to help anyone feel better.
For the record I think you do a fine job and are as fair as you can be, this is not an attack on you. Appearances are strong and we all have experienced our share of poor staff behavior in the past so there's a lot of trust to be earned. I think we can all agree on that.
KoTH is fun man, keep doing it.
All you have to say is that you're doing everything as fair as possible and move on. This isn't whining, it's a sincere concern. Please don't threaten to quit running an event because of this - that's not going to help anyone feel better.
For the record I think you do a fine job and are as fair as you can be, this is not an attack on you. Appearances are strong and we all have experienced our share of poor staff behavior in the past so there's a lot of trust to be earned. I think we can all agree on that.
KoTH is fun man, keep doing it.
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I don't recall ever saying anything about you favoring your guild I even purposely left out bringing up the shitty page you sent me after the only thing I sent you was "Consider this a second vote for not letting people warp in late."
I don't think you were purposely being devious, but when you give the appearance of letting people join late, and then change this weeks rules about splitting PP for the streak winners, then get overly defensive when it is pointed out ... it is hard to think overwise.
I made absolutely no mention about you showing guild favoritism because I don't believe that to be the case, so feel free to hash that out directly with whomever sent it to you. If my original thought was that you were being devious I would not have minced words, I would have told you that you were being devious.
My turn to be blunt, I don't consider asking for an event to be ran fairly for everyone as whining, and you lashing out in anger is inappropriate for a staff/moderator of any event/game/forums/etc. If you are unable to handle the stress of running an event for 10 people and keeping it fair and organized. maybe you shouldn't do it anymore. What are you going to do if the game grows and two months from now you have a 30 person KotH? If you are struggling but want to continue it (And I really hope you do.) maybe you should recruit an extra set of hands. Hell I will even volunteer my own. Don't even gotta make me staff, just say what you need help with and I am more than willing.
I don't think you were purposely being devious, but when you give the appearance of letting people join late, and then change this weeks rules about splitting PP for the streak winners, then get overly defensive when it is pointed out ... it is hard to think overwise.
I made absolutely no mention about you showing guild favoritism because I don't believe that to be the case, so feel free to hash that out directly with whomever sent it to you. If my original thought was that you were being devious I would not have minced words, I would have told you that you were being devious.
My turn to be blunt, I don't consider asking for an event to be ran fairly for everyone as whining, and you lashing out in anger is inappropriate for a staff/moderator of any event/game/forums/etc. If you are unable to handle the stress of running an event for 10 people and keeping it fair and organized. maybe you shouldn't do it anymore. What are you going to do if the game grows and two months from now you have a 30 person KotH? If you are struggling but want to continue it (And I really hope you do.) maybe you should recruit an extra set of hands. Hell I will even volunteer my own. Don't even gotta make me staff, just say what you need help with and I am more than willing.
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Yea as folder said seems no one is accusing you of anything just pointed it some things could look fish.
Two things that could fix anyone ever having doubts:
1: No one in after last call and especially after the event has already started. (should be the same with any event)
2: Order is done by randomizing the players in the room and displayed in the room. (Might take a few mins to code on Chris part Kaos bot did this in rok so can be done.)
With those 2 changes no one could complain ever. Love the community but don't give them a reason to even think something is unfair or people will take it and run.
People seem to love your event I know I don't get that many for any of my events
Two things that could fix anyone ever having doubts:
1: No one in after last call and especially after the event has already started. (should be the same with any event)
2: Order is done by randomizing the players in the room and displayed in the room. (Might take a few mins to code on Chris part Kaos bot did this in rok so can be done.)
With those 2 changes no one could complain ever. Love the community but don't give them a reason to even think something is unfair or people will take it and run.
People seem to love your event I know I don't get that many for any of my events
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((( PLAYER))) is paging you from Linwood City (Linwood): its cool doesnt affect me just might seem weird to others seeing hes in your clan and he came in after 4 people were dead and you just slotted him wherever was best
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Well whoever said that is just salty, it happens all the time man. Do your best, be fair, move on. That's it.
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Cerebrus wrote:((( PLAYER))) is paging you from Linwood City (Linwood): its cool doesnt affect me just might seem weird to others seeing hes in your clan and he came in after 4 people were dead and you just slotted him wherever was best
I mean, that person wasn't wrong. It definitely seems weird. Sounds to me like you should talk to that person directly.
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