Agility

[dyer]

1 point? it cost 5 stat points to get the +1 agi as drakebllod is 22 max then the 5 point sacrifice to get 23?

so that would give me 5 points to put into int/wis???

Cheers

[NiteHawk]

1 point? it cost 5 stat points to get the +1 agi as drakebllod is 22 max then the 5 point sacrifice to get 23?

so that would give me 5 points to put into int/wis???

Cheers

Oh sorry, you meant as dispersing the stats. Yeah that is correct. Again, it is the players choice to make a more hard hitting character or slightly dodging more type deal. I thought you meant +1'ing wisdom or int for some reason.

You won't find any wisdom resistance with a drakeblood though. 10wis or 12wis you're going to be mince meat cause the multiplier on drakebloods is super low, and monks alone won't help a large amount. It might be around 8% more resistance with 2 more wisdom though, but thats basing it off 20 or 25% resistance to begin with.

5 points into wisdom on another race if you could do it would help though. But yes, that is the intension normally when picking a race that actually has wisdom to sink it into. A situation would be do you want to hit and dodge a little more against physical classes by +1ing agi or hitting a little harder.;.. Or do you want to use the +5 points for an extra point and put +5 into wisdom to make a more resilient character against spells. On one note, you will be better at specific class fighting, but in another note, you will be weaker on others.

You won't be perfect at everything, you specially won't be perfect at everything if you +1. It is a sacrifice for a gain in another area.

[Folder]

This is exactly why it's your choice whether to +1 or not. There has to be a decision there. If +1 were ALWAYS the right thing to do then what's the point of it at all? It becomes moot if it's the only viable option. I think it's in a pretty good place right now, you do make a sacrifice to +1 but then you do get that small bonus.

I post on everything Killa, has nothing to do with what guild it is.

[NiteHawk]

This is exactly why it's your choice whether to +1 or not. There has to be a decision there. If +1 were ALWAYS the right thing to do then what's the point of it at all? It becomes moot if it's the only viable option. I think it's in a pretty good place right now, you do make a sacrifice to +1 but then you do get that small bonus.

I post on everything Killa, has nothing to do with what guild it is.

This.

I have said it in several threads, but I will give everyone one stat reallocation once we balance things. Could be a little while, but it's a promise.

[FrostSlayer]

I'm not sure what the issue is here... I got lucky with the shield blocks, and landed a few backstabs, but also missed a few backstabs. I have div which let me 3 shot instead of 4 shot. You recently lost 7.5% hit rate as a monk (which I approve of) and we all received 5% base hit rate increase. Is the problem here that your 23 agi vs my 22 agi doesnt allow you to land all your hits and dodge all of mine?

If we replayed that scenario 1000 times, i am 99% sure i would not win them all. There would be some times that I would miss every backstab and you would land all your RH attacks. Small sample size and using that an example of what is and isn't fair or right is never the way to do it. Even during that fight, i missed a ton of backstabs... would have been over sooner if i landed another one near the start.

I hear 19-20 agi chars complaining that agi matters too much, i have 23 agi chars complaining it doesnt matter enough. Does that mean its right where it should be?

Even if you had your 5 points back from agi, what would you do with them? cap your int and wis at 12 and put 1 in cha? I don't think youll see the benefit from that which you think you would.

Nitehawk laid out some pretty good numbers to work with. In many, many other scenarios it would play out differently, and this time it just played out in my favor. Sorry

[NiteHawk]

I'm not sure what the issue is here... I got lucky with the shield blocks, and landed a few backstabs, but also missed a few backstabs. I have div which let me 3 shot instead of 4 shot. You recently lost 7.5% hit rate as a monk (which I approve of) and we all received 5% base hit rate increase. Is the problem here that your 23 agi vs my 22 agi doesnt allow you to land all your hits and dodge all of mine?

If we replayed that scenario 1000 times, i am 99% sure i would not win them all. There would be some times that I would miss every backstab and you would land all your RH attacks. Small sample size and using that an example of what is and isn't fair or right is never the way to do it. Even during that fight, i missed a ton of backstabs... would have been over sooner if i landed another one near the start.

I hear 19-20 agi chars complaining that agi matters too much, i have 23 agi chars complaining it doesnt matter enough. Does that mean its right where it should be?

Even if you had your 5 points back from agi, what would you do with them? cap your int and wis at 12 and put 1 in cha? I don't think youll see the benefit from that which you think you would.

Nitehawk laid out some pretty good numbers to work with. In many, many other scenarios it would play out differently, and this time it just played out in my favor. Sorry

Yeah, this is the biggest issue too. I have people on both ends screaming its too much and it's to little. The only real issue I want to test is armor. Armor does do alot right now, I am wondering if it's too much. Going to make a post about something soon though.

[dyer]

Cool i guess it goes down to a lucky fight then, but the numbers are still bugging me if i break it down.

For a Ninja with +1 agi, natural dodge bonus and natural hit bonus its apparently about a 1% difference on that fight if we ignore the 75% shield deflect rate Gemeni happened to get.

22 attacks , 6 landed = 27.7% hit rate
28 attacks, 2 hits 6 deflects = 28.6% hit rate

im hoping ive messed up the math here, or missed something otherwise it really contradicts what you guys are saying or Gemeni had a leprechaun hiding in his pocket.

Re the stat convo, i wouldn't role a drake blood again, there is no point, better going saurian, same AC bonus, + Magic resil with something like 23,22,19,10,10,14 to max strenth out with a loss of a little HP.

[dyer]

New fight, still shows backstab hits more than monks do normally.

Gem 14 attacks , 6 landed = 42.8% hit rate
Dyer 15 attacks, 5 hits = 33.3% hit rate

=> Gemini went west.
=> Gemini arrived from the west.
=> A bone archer arrived from the west.
Gemini BACKSTABS you with his bone dagger and misses!
A skeletal beast attacks you with his teeth and misses!
You are too exhausted.
You are healed for 225 hit points.
You attack Gemini with your void staff and miss!
You attack Gemini with your void staff and miss!
You attack Gemini with your void staff for 115 points of damage!
You attack Gemini with your void staff and miss!
You attack Gemini with your void staff and miss!
You are too exhausted.
You are too exhausted.
A bone archer attacks you with his bone bow and misses!
Gemini drinks a blood potion.
A bone archer attacks you with his bone bow and misses!
A skeletal beast attacks Gemini with his teeth and misses!
A bone archer attacks you with his bone bow, but your armor absorbs some of the blow for 65 points of damage!
=> Gemini went west.
=> A skeletal beast went west.
=> Gemini arrived from the west.
Gemini BACKSTABS you with his bone dagger and misses!
Mort Wraith attacks you with his spectral scythe and misses!
=> Gemini went west.
=> Gemini arrived from the west.
A bone archer attacks you with his bone bow and misses!
Gemini BACKSTABS you with his bone dagger, but your armor absorbs some of the blow for 383 points of damage!
Mort Wraith attacks you with his spectral scythe and misses!
You attack Gemini with your void staff and miss!
You attack Gemini with your void staff and miss!
You attack Gemini with your void staff for 105 points of damage!
You attack Gemini with your void staff and miss!
You attack Gemini with your void staff for 112 points of damage!
Gemini drinks a blood potion.
=> Gemini went west.
=> Gemini arrived from the west.
=> A skeletal beast arrived from the west.
You are healed for 225 hit points.
Gemini BACKSTABS you with his bone dagger and misses!
A bone archer attacks you with his bone bow and misses!
A skeletal beast attacks Gemini with his teeth and misses!
=> Gemini went west.
=> Gemini arrived from the west.
Gemini BACKSTABS you with his bone dagger and misses!
A bone archer attacks you with his bone bow and misses!
A bone archer attacks you with his bone bow for 99 points of damage!
You attack Gemini with your void staff and miss!
You attack Gemini with your void staff and miss!
You attack Gemini with your void staff for 112 points of damage!
You attack Gemini with your void staff and miss!
You attack Gemini with your void staff, but his armor absorbs half of the blow for 60 points of damage!
A bone archer attacks Gemini with his bone bow, but his armor absorbs some of the blow!
Mort Wraith attacks you with his spectral scythe for 250 points of damage!
Gemini drinks a blood potion.
Mort Wraith attacks Gemini with his spectral scythe and misses!
A skeletal beast attacks Gemini with his teeth and misses!
A skeletal beast attacks you with his teeth and misses!
=> Gemini went west.
=> A bone archer went west.
=> Mort Wraith went west.
=> A skeletal beast went west.
=> Gemini arrived from the west.
Gemini BACKSTABS you with his bone dagger, but your armor absorbs some of the blow for 386 points of damage!
=> Gemini went west.
=> Gemini arrived from the west.
=> Mort Wraith arrived from the west.
Gemini BACKSTABS you with his bone dagger, but your armor absorbs some of the blow for 348 points of damage!
Gemini has killed you!
>>> Dyer was killed by Gemini <<<

[FrostSlayer]

1) monks no longer have a passive hit rate bonus, it only applies to dodge.

2) your sample size, again, is far too small to draw any conclusions.

3) your armor absorbed 2 attacks, while mine absorbed 0, and 0 shield deflects. based on this info, using what you think is a fair amount of data, i can conclude that your armor is too high, and my armor/shield need to activate more. Correct?

[dyer]

1) monks no longer have a passive hit rate bonus, it only applies to dodge.

2) your sample size, again, is far too small to draw any conclusions.

3) your armor absorbed 2 attacks, while mine absorbed 0, and 0 shield deflects. based on this info, using what you think is a fair amount of data, i can conclude that your armor is too high, and my armor/shield need to activate more. Correct?

1 - Hit rate, fine nerfed, should still dodge more with +1 agi and the ninja dodge so stats show otherwise on the 2 fights we have had.
2 - You are right it is, im raising a potential balancing issue so how are you helping?
3 - I never said i had a fair amount of data? stop trolling and start helping?

Cheers