@Nitehawk and yeh I had nerfed my horc ranger I wanted to test 10 chr. From lvl 12 - 14 I used 40 empty gems and no luck with hawk, 14/15th level tamed a mosquito no probs (got bored of testing with the hawk, the mosquito was just to see if... well you mentioned hchanging spells to meet the new 10 min... so I thought I wonder if 10 chr will actually tame, hence my testing and posting, in case you had neglected this :p )