Pally's, Guardians, and the Spectral Scythe!

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Re: Pally's, Guardians, and the Spectral Scythe!

Postby NiteHawk » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:49 pm

Folder wrote:
NiteHawk wrote:In terms of blunts though, it could be a class only item with proper values, but I'm not going to change the whole weapons system for this unfort. Far too much work for that bit.


Please do this builders. I'd love variety on weapon choices.


I mean, maybe when we have the OAD values of all items first, for balance reasons. :P


Lol, it's cool. I figured you were Testing. yea i was only using smite on undead. i used the blood Saber to lvl 25. with 20 Str, and i still outdamaged smite. The reason i called it useless was the MR of the undead. I wasn't wrong either in the it landed on average 1/3 times, if it effected at all. It just made more sense at the time to melee and save the mana for heals. I Still think pallys should be able to 2hdr, but hey can't win them all. My post was mainly just trying to get the class looked at. Cause it does need some help, and as someone who has put thousands of minutes into the class i feel i know it pretty well. Yea the Scythe situation sucked,and i feel i got the shaft on it, but i can also understand where your coming from. However it felt like i got punished just for playing the game.


Yeah it should be better with the MR now. Some undead might have high MR but int should be more impacting per INT point now. Maybe in the future we will see about 2HND but I wanna keep it as it is for now. I really think we need to get the OAD values in game as soon as we can, cause its really hard to determine or balance classes without it. Alot of things are missing even for like level 20 items. For example heavy armors, I don't even think theres any good ones but storeboughts etc.

Yeah I'm really sorry about the Scythe situation. I know it sucked, it wasn't personal at all, and there will be one handers that are better than it, hopefully soon. I really laid it on the builders though for the future. They need to ensure an item is as it is. As I said to them, an item can be balanced, that's fine, but an item shouldn't do a 180 and be not usable suddenly etc. It also shouldn't be changed anyways, cause it breaks characters. until they unequip stuff. But as you said, it doesn't help the community at all to do that. They need to expect soon as it is released, SOMEONE WILL HAVE ONE.

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Re: Pally's, Guardians, and the Spectral Scythe!

Postby Folder » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:06 pm

Just for the record when I suggest things like blunt weapons or 2h those are far-in-the-future suggestions. I know we're new and have a lot more important things to do right now, no rush :).

I don't really think smite needed a buff, but thanks! Unaffecting less will be nice.

So for real now there's not a lv25 sword is there? Oh well, new stuff will be out soon enough I'm sure.
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Re: Pally's, Guardians, and the Spectral Scythe!

Postby NiteHawk » Mon Nov 21, 2016 5:12 pm

Folder wrote:Just for the record when I suggest things like blunt weapons or 2h those are far-in-the-future suggestions. I know we're new and have a lot more important things to do right now, no rush :).

I don't really think smite needed a buff, but thanks! Unaffecting less will be nice.

So for real now there's not a lv25 sword is there? Oh well, new stuff will be out soon enough I'm sure.


Well the damage is still same max, but has a range of 10 instead of 12. We'll see about the unaffect but I wanted it to be lower in general on undead anyways. Was going to do that part anyways.

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Re: Pally's, Guardians, and the Spectral Scythe!

Postby Lateralus » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:09 pm

Yea sorry again Tristan the weapon was actually created as a 2 header and placed in the game as that but at the time we were not doing 2 handers so I changed it to a 1 hander. Then when the quest was ran and a 2 hander was given out I learned we were aloud to do them so I made the change assuming that one hadn't been dropped and even if it had it wouldn't be a big deal (I didn't know of any 25ers besides monks).


So yea it's on me nothing against you. I honestly had no idea anyone had one.

As for class power I know it's been touched on things should balance out and there will be changes if needed.

As for more swords they are coming I know 1 25er for sure should be in within a day or 2 max.

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Re: Pally's, Guardians, and the Spectral Scythe!

Postby NiteHawk » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:41 am

Well unless they are OAD equiv its still hard to balance test though. Still need time.

Monks have it easier cause they gain alot of their stats passively. It might need to be reduced so its not such a high scaling and give the weapons and armor more instead. Means they'd still be left with what they have now at level 25, but it would scale slower and maybe more in line with others. Again something that may need to be looked at but I want OAD items to be in first so we can test everyone at the max.

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Re: Pally's, Guardians, and the Spectral Scythe!

Postby NiteHawk » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:39 pm

Tristan wrote:Lol, it's cool. I figured you were Testing. yea i was only using smite on undead. i used the blood Saber to lvl 25. with 20 Str, and i still outdamaged smite. The reason i called it useless was the MR of the undead. I wasn't wrong either in the it landed on average 1/3 times, if it effected at all. It just made more sense at the time to melee and save the mana for heals. I Still think pallys should be able to 2hdr, but hey can't win them all. My post was mainly just trying to get the class looked at. Cause it does need some help, and as someone who has put thousands of minutes into the class i feel i know it pretty well. Yea the Scythe situation sucked,and i feel i got the shaft on it, but i can also understand where your coming from. However it felt like i got punished just for playing the game.


I'll test the damage at lower levels, the scaling might be wrong. It might need a higher base but lower scale. If it needs changes I will add them shortly.

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Re: Pally's, Guardians, and the Spectral Scythe!

Postby JadeFalcon » Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:04 am

I demand an option to switch between being a Paladin and a BlackGuard (Guardian/Defiler)

Besides the naming difference, we should be able to convert certain Heal spells into offensive spells.

That is all.
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Re: Pally's, Guardians, and the Spectral Scythe!

Postby Honzo » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:07 am

JadeFalcon wrote:I demand an option to switch between being a Paladin and a BlackGuard (Guardian/Defiler)

Besides the naming difference, we should be able to convert certain Heal spells into offensive spells.

That is all.


I demand you to quit saying sexy things like that!! That sounds like it'd be so fun as a new class. Blackguard(I see you like dnd) :) Shadow Knight, Death Knight, I think we'd take whatever. ;) But as far as I know classes are set in stone XD

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