Monks

[Atticuz]

No idea where i should post this, so I am putting here

I want it to be known I am not whinging but rather looking for an answer

I don't know how it is for other Ninja's but man I feel useless in PVP and i'll show an example.

You attack Lightning with your void staff and miss!
Lightning stands in front of Mystrina!
You attack Lightning with your void staff and miss!
Lightning stands in front of Mystrina!
You attack Lightning with your void staff, but his armor absorbs half of the blow for 44 points of damage!
A shadow golem attacks you with its shadow fists and misses!
Lightning stands in front of Mystrina!
You attack Lightning with your void staff, but his armor absorbs half of the blow for 53 points of damage!
You launch into a ROUNDHOUSE KICK against Lightning and miss!

round 1 97 damage in two hits

You attack Lightning with your void staff, but his armor absorbs some of the blow for 54 points of damage!
You attack Lightning with your void staff and miss!
You attack Lightning with your void staff and miss!
You attack Lightning with your void staff, but his armor absorbs half of the blow for 47 points of damage!
You attack Lightning with your void staff and miss!

round 2 101 damage in two hits

You attack Lightning with your void staff and miss!
You attack Lightning with your void staff, but his armor absorbs some of the blow for 64 points of damage!
You attack Lightning with your void staff and miss!
You attack Lightning with your void staff and miss!
You attack Lightning with your void staff and miss!

Round 3 64 damage in one hit

You attack Lightning with your void staff, but his shield deflects half of the blow for 55 points of damage!
You attack Lightning with your void staff and miss!
You attack Lightning with your void staff, but his armor absorbs half of the blow for 50 points of damage!
You attack Lightning with your void staff and miss!
You attack Lightning with your void staff and miss!

Round 4 105 damage in 2 hits

You attack Lightning with your void staff and miss!
You attack Lightning with your void staff and miss!
You attack Lightning with your void staff and miss!
You attack Lightning with your void staff, but his armor absorbs half of the blow for 55 points of damage!
You attack Lightning with your void staff and miss!

Round 5 55 damage in one hit

Lightning attacks you with his void blade, but your armor absorbs some of the blow for 126 points of damage!
Lightning attacks you with his void blade and misses!
Lightning attacks you with his void blade and misses!
A shadow golem attacks you with its shadow fists for 56 points of damage!
Lightning attacks you with his void blade for 159 points of damage!

He was afk so he only got one round in before the enchanter blew me up

I assume the damage is normal as I was against Div and he probably had a stoneskin from the enchanter he was chilling with.

It's the hit rate I am confused about.
I have 23 agi, he is a Halfling and therefore probably has 24 ( I dont know as he gave a douchebag of an answer when asked)

Is this is normal? (as in how you planned high agi pvp fights to go)
I feel this happen alot in PVP where i am pretty much useless.
If this is supposed to be this way (as in one or two hits a round) ill shut my mouth and move on.

[NiteHawk]

Again, you can't give 5 rounds of testing and say this is for all PVP.

But yeah, it will be around 38% hit rate against a ling. I'd need more examples and proper data rather then 5 rounds, doesn't cut it at all. Solo 1vs1 are going to be generally longer because when you get a proper party I feel the hit rate overall is pretty good for good 4-6 vs 4-6 fights. In general it's either going to be generally that solo is balanced and parties are going to be wacko in damage (aka everyone dies) or solo will be tougher to kill but in parties it's more balanced. At the moment I'd think it's the latter overall and does require you to team up at least in a small group.

With rates for that too he can get lucky, he can get armor absorbs, etc etc that don't happen in other rounds. And yeah, fighting against div is normally bad overall for your health. You'd probably want to stick to minimum neutral when testing.

[Atticuz]

Righto

So he got lucky 5 rounds in a row and either absorbed or deflected all my blows, man Atticuz must have a hidden stat for just being the most unluckiest Ninja in game

So what you are saying is make a Halfling everything or only PVP with a Ninja when in a team fight?

But seriously if you like i can post all my fights here and you will see Atticuz feels more like Lee Sin the Blind Monk

[daedroth]

Righto

So he got lucky 5 rounds in a row and either absorbed or deflected all my blows, man Atticuz must have a hidden stat for just being the most unluckiest Ninja in game

So what you are saying is make a Halfling everything or only PVP with a Ninja when in a team fight?

But seriously if you like i can post all my fights here and you will see Atticuz feels more like Lee Sin the Blind Monk

You hit my chanter pretty damn consistently (90ac with SS, 22agl). You had div aye, but that does not affect hit-rate (well to my knowledge)... I never kept the log, but I did not see you miss much.

[Atticuz]

That is interesting

I am more then willing to get some testing going, if anyone is up for it

[daedroth]

That is interesting

I am more then willing to get some testing going, if anyone is up for it

I am far too fat and lazy for that But I am curious and want to test some stuff... I just need to be in the right mood. Right now I am far too busy trying to level 4 alts; I can't decide which one I want most to get to 25th.

Harass your clannies into it! All in the name of science, I am sure they will understand.

[Thi]

Dat Lightning, dodging even when grabbing a cup of coffee, badass.

P. S. You did not get a douchebag reply from me, I'm in no way obliged to comply with your request to know my stats. Here's my reply "that's a trade secret". Next time I might give you a douchebag reply, like "suck it up and post on the forums, QQ", see hows that different?

[Atticuz]

Dat Lightning, dodging even when grabbing a cup of coffee, badass.

P. S. You did not get a douchebag reply from me, I'm in no way obliged to comply with your request to know my stats. Here's my reply "that's a trade secret". Next time I might give you a douchebag reply, like "suck it up and post on the forums, QQ", see hows that different?

Different opinions of douchebaggery i guess

When trying to get as much data as i can i am met with the above, sounds pretty douchebag to me.

Are you not also curious tho?

If you ask your clan mates more then half can raise their hand and say they whomped me in a fight, just feels really off whenever i engage in PVP

[Thi]

Dat Lightning, dodging even when grabbing a cup of coffee, badass.

P. S. You did not get a douchebag reply from me, I'm in no way obliged to comply with your request to know my stats. Here's my reply "that's a trade secret". Next time I might give you a douchebag reply, like "suck it up and post on the forums, QQ", see hows that different?

Different opinions of douchebaggery i guess

Are you not also curious tho?

If you ask your clan mates more then half can raise their hand and say they whomped me in a fight, just feels really off whenever i engage in PVP

I'd more or so say you have a wrong concept of what a douchebag is.

As for your monk losing too often, our guild has so many casters that most of the fights you die in 1 round so it's hard to say, I've hardly had fights with you that a caster wasn't present.

As I told you, I had Div and stoneskin up plus I'm a ling so, on most rounds you got at least 2 hits in, where I usually only get 1, but the chanter ate you.

Having said that, you had a hit rate of 40% which is not bad by all means, but I had AC enough to deflect plenty of hits.

The only thing I think needs looking at is Div bonuses, as I told Chris before I belive they are too hard, meaning fighting against Div is an auto-loss, specially versus classes like ninjas, slayers and zerkers that gets bonus damage multiplied over.

[NiteHawk]

Eh let's keep it on topic.

So he got lucky 5 rounds in a row and either absorbed or deflected all my blows, man Atticuz must have a hidden stat for just being the most unluckiest Ninja in game

So what you are saying is make a Halfling everything or only PVP with a Ninja when in a team fight?

Base overall is 40% when AGi is the same (and no class bonuses). That goes for all classes, not just monks. And yeah, it can be luck. If it's not 100% on everything, it CAN be luck. If your fighting a paladin against div he also has a spell that reduces damage against div, so you'd be even worse off if that was the case there in terms of damage.

If it's 38% hit rate for example, or around, then yeah, there are chances that you'll do horrible, and do good. 38% is probably around 2/4 hit rate, just under ON average. Shield absorbing, again, another random luck. It's probably around 40% overall with armor and a shield, but again, it's the draw of the luck. Surely you understand that 38% is more the average on your hit rate against a 24 agi ling. I.E. out of 10000 attacks, 3800 of them will be hits, the rest will be misses. This doesn't mean that you'll always hit 2 per round too. Some rounds you could do higher, some rounds you can do lower. But the final hit value with 10000 attacks will typically be around 3800 hits.


Not sure why you also state about everyone being lings now, which makes no sense either. 19 vs 20 agi would be exactly the same as fighting someone 23 vs 24 agi. Obviously not including class bonuses, but that is maybe another agi point on top. But on the extremes, which is probably 19 agi vs 24 agi, It would be 50% hit rate vs 30% hit rate. (24 agi would hit the 19 agi 50% of the time, while other way around it would be 30% of the time.) The difference here is, the strength and power of lower AGI classes typically that make the classes more 'random' but bigger payoffs when they work... Each AGI point is about 2% but a little more for monks for dodging, a little less on zerkers for dodging, and a little more hit rate for knights.

And yes, one fight of 5 rounds gives absolutely no testing data at all. What you need is several fights, several different classes, races, and other people testing. People generally need to help out here and give feedback, not just one person. Even if the data is 'I think AGI is fine'.

Heres a good example of a 1 to 100 dice roll 10000 times, you can see gaps of missing (more so since its 38% hit rate) and some grouped hits, it would be same to how your character would work against 24 agi.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing




In terms of divinity bonuses, they could be looked at yeah. But in ROK it was pretty much a set 15% as well and no one really fretted. Hence why I went with that, though we can change it up if people feel it has to be.

Auto-loss? Nah, just very hard. It typically was meant to be though.